Mr. Smith would rather spend an hour in an all white area than an all black because he knows there is no chance of being attacked in the white area, unless it was suddenly invaded by non-whites.
You have to be willing to lie about anything to be taken seriously by the mainstream media. That is a primary criteria. And for some reason now the mainstream media is trying to make a protected class of murderers and rapists, as long as they are black. So Noah is being ambitious, making a name for himself with the best people.
Speaking of people lying, everyone's favorite AWFL, Chandra Hardy, is wilding out on the comment threads here and on Karlstack's latest. It really is amazing how intense the religious zeal is for leftist causes: if reality contradicts the narrative, reality must be denied.
Thank you (again) for clearly setting the correct tone. I have tried many different angles to educate the ravenous race baiting gaslighting brigades. Maybe I've changed a perspective or two, but it is hard to tell.
I wouldn't have seen Noah's post if it weren't for the new Notes feature. And honestly I'm still not sure whether that is a plus or a minus. So far I lean more towards that Notes is a slightly cleaned up version of the schizophrenia of twitter.
Thanks again for holding the serial liars to the light of truth.
Thank you! We're all in this together. These Marxcissist maniacs are trying to push our civilization off the cliff, and one of their tools is inflaming racial animus with a mix of half-truths and motte-and-bailey maneuvers. It does make a difference when we counter their lies with truth and logic. Maybe the Marxcissists are death-cult members who have already lost their minds, but the normies can still be persuaded.
Also, a surprising number of black people are getting red pilled. They may be a minority, but their voices are important. The worst thing for black people, as a group, would be for them to be weaponized as the useful idiots that the communists use to destabilize and destroy America, because in the aftermath, there will be a lot of angry people looking for a scapegoat (the elites who caused all of this mess will likely escape to Davos or Beijing or wherever they plan on hiding, once the SHTF). The longer this goes on, where black people are used as a cudgel by the elites to beat down non-elite whites, the worse the backlash will be when it comes. And it will come. So encouraging more black people to get red pilled is important, so that people can see that the real enemy is not any particular race, but a destructive ideology and the psychopaths that deploy that ideology.
We should be able to call out and condemn antisocial behavior and criminal violence. Nobody should get a pass to act like an animal because people that looked like them used to be mistreated. Plenty of black people do not act like trash, but those who do act like trash are hated because they're trash, not because they're black. Same reason people criticize white trash. By claiming that it's "racist" to criticize trashy behavior, the race hucksters and white leftists merely reify in the public eye the connection between "black" and "trashy behavior;" and that is the real racism: acting like people cannot be expected to do better because of their race.
Your last paragraph is a conversation/argument I have had with so many people over that past 30 years. It is a crucial hurdle to get across before taking on more complicated issues.
I agree with what you're saying here, but I wish this article actually addressed the direct claim.
You can look at interracial crime rates from 2 perspectives. Rate of offenders or rate of victims. There is no doubt that the black offender rates are much higher, the smaller population committing outsized numbers of crimes makes this patently obvious.
But it is possible that because there are so many more non-blacks the rate of victims in whites is smaller.
So let's do some math. Using the chart you provided we have ~60k white on black crimes.
If we go with 13% black population in the US that means about 1/7.7 of the population is black. We can then extrapolate the WvB raw number out to the entire population and get ~460k at that rate.
This is under the BvW raw number of about 548k. And that would be just the white population, not the whole population which th WvB number is meant to compare against.
So no they aren't victimized at a higher rate (by whites) either.
This isn't the ideal math to represent this, but I could do it on my phone with the data in that chart and 13%.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not a statistician, but just looking over your formula, I'm wondering about your method. Are you extrapolating what the number of white on black violent crimes would be if there were as many black people as white people? Maybe I'm missing something, but I think that's what you're doing. If so, wouldn't that also increase the number of black on white incidents? Whatever the rates are at which blacks, as a group, victimize others and are victims themselves, wouldn't you need to scale both numbers up if you imagined a larger number of black people to match the white population?
Ideally I'd just get a rate vs population. So the 59K WvB divided by the population of blacks, which I don't know offhand. And compare that to the same math on the BvW numbers vs the white population.
Buy I'm on my phone and lazy, so we can just "adjust" those numbers to the full population of the US.
You are right I would need to scale up the BvW number as well. But again lazy, phone, and we already have more white victims without the adjustment which would only GROW the white victim number. So I stopped there.
The Titania McGrath of Substack has entered the chat!
Seriously, though, Chandra, which of the numbers that I cited, which are based on publicly available 2018 FBI crime data (prior to 2020's "summer of love" and the crime spike that followed), which of those numbers, specifically, are you disputing?
Put them in stocks and let people throw things at them for 24 hours and then give them a nice public hanging. Same thing they should do with nonwhites who commit mass murder.
I can't speak for Chris (though I imagine his reasons are similar to mine). I have written about black crime and the anti-white agitprop because the mainstream media, the Brandon Administration, the DOJ, and Gen Mark Milley already lecture us to death about the evils of "white rage" and "white supremacists" and "white domestic extremists" and so forth, while completely ignoring the far more prevalent instances of black rage, black supremacists, and black domestic extremists. And if you're in a leftist echo chamber (which it sounds like you are), then you would conclude, based on all the information that you are presented, that white people are committing all these terrible violent crimes and threatening the safety of black people, while black people are peacefully minding their own business and trying desperately to keep white people from touching their hair and calling the cops on them for just existing. But that narrative is 180-degrees opposite the actual reality. And deep down, everyone, including hardcore leftists, knows that it is false. That is why they get so defensive and immediately move to shut down the conversation any time it veers off the approved narrative.
Here's a little remembered fact about recent American history: the Clinton-era crime bill that now gets condemned as racist, even by those who (at the time) supported it (like the Clintons and Joe Brandon), was supported by *black* community leaders, because they knew that a disproportionate amount of the violent crime was happening in *their* communities. Sure, a handful of black "superpredators" (Hillary's term) would be locked up, but many more innocent black people would get to live without fear and in communities that had an actual chance of flourishing, once the superpredators were removed.
And I had a similar journey. I've been meaning to follow Mark Bisone's lead and write an "I was wrong" post about it. (Mark's was about 9/11 and GWOT.) I think you correctly described the stages of grief when it comes to issues like this. Hopefully he moves onto acceptance of reality.
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Mr. Smith would rather spend an hour in an all white area than an all black because he knows there is no chance of being attacked in the white area, unless it was suddenly invaded by non-whites.
You have to be willing to lie about anything to be taken seriously by the mainstream media. That is a primary criteria. And for some reason now the mainstream media is trying to make a protected class of murderers and rapists, as long as they are black. So Noah is being ambitious, making a name for himself with the best people.
Speaking of people lying, everyone's favorite AWFL, Chandra Hardy, is wilding out on the comment threads here and on Karlstack's latest. It really is amazing how intense the religious zeal is for leftist causes: if reality contradicts the narrative, reality must be denied.
Liars will lie. I forget who said,
'No one would make fake gold unless there were real gold.'
But it's true.
That's a very good saying!
Thank you (again) for clearly setting the correct tone. I have tried many different angles to educate the ravenous race baiting gaslighting brigades. Maybe I've changed a perspective or two, but it is hard to tell.
I wouldn't have seen Noah's post if it weren't for the new Notes feature. And honestly I'm still not sure whether that is a plus or a minus. So far I lean more towards that Notes is a slightly cleaned up version of the schizophrenia of twitter.
Thanks again for holding the serial liars to the light of truth.
Thank you! We're all in this together. These Marxcissist maniacs are trying to push our civilization off the cliff, and one of their tools is inflaming racial animus with a mix of half-truths and motte-and-bailey maneuvers. It does make a difference when we counter their lies with truth and logic. Maybe the Marxcissists are death-cult members who have already lost their minds, but the normies can still be persuaded.
Also, a surprising number of black people are getting red pilled. They may be a minority, but their voices are important. The worst thing for black people, as a group, would be for them to be weaponized as the useful idiots that the communists use to destabilize and destroy America, because in the aftermath, there will be a lot of angry people looking for a scapegoat (the elites who caused all of this mess will likely escape to Davos or Beijing or wherever they plan on hiding, once the SHTF). The longer this goes on, where black people are used as a cudgel by the elites to beat down non-elite whites, the worse the backlash will be when it comes. And it will come. So encouraging more black people to get red pilled is important, so that people can see that the real enemy is not any particular race, but a destructive ideology and the psychopaths that deploy that ideology.
We should be able to call out and condemn antisocial behavior and criminal violence. Nobody should get a pass to act like an animal because people that looked like them used to be mistreated. Plenty of black people do not act like trash, but those who do act like trash are hated because they're trash, not because they're black. Same reason people criticize white trash. By claiming that it's "racist" to criticize trashy behavior, the race hucksters and white leftists merely reify in the public eye the connection between "black" and "trashy behavior;" and that is the real racism: acting like people cannot be expected to do better because of their race.
Your last paragraph is a conversation/argument I have had with so many people over that past 30 years. It is a crucial hurdle to get across before taking on more complicated issues.
I agree with what you're saying here, but I wish this article actually addressed the direct claim.
You can look at interracial crime rates from 2 perspectives. Rate of offenders or rate of victims. There is no doubt that the black offender rates are much higher, the smaller population committing outsized numbers of crimes makes this patently obvious.
But it is possible that because there are so many more non-blacks the rate of victims in whites is smaller.
So let's do some math. Using the chart you provided we have ~60k white on black crimes.
If we go with 13% black population in the US that means about 1/7.7 of the population is black. We can then extrapolate the WvB raw number out to the entire population and get ~460k at that rate.
This is under the BvW raw number of about 548k. And that would be just the white population, not the whole population which th WvB number is meant to compare against.
So no they aren't victimized at a higher rate (by whites) either.
This isn't the ideal math to represent this, but I could do it on my phone with the data in that chart and 13%.
I'll be the first to admit I'm not a statistician, but just looking over your formula, I'm wondering about your method. Are you extrapolating what the number of white on black violent crimes would be if there were as many black people as white people? Maybe I'm missing something, but I think that's what you're doing. If so, wouldn't that also increase the number of black on white incidents? Whatever the rates are at which blacks, as a group, victimize others and are victims themselves, wouldn't you need to scale both numbers up if you imagined a larger number of black people to match the white population?
Ideally I'd just get a rate vs population. So the 59K WvB divided by the population of blacks, which I don't know offhand. And compare that to the same math on the BvW numbers vs the white population.
Buy I'm on my phone and lazy, so we can just "adjust" those numbers to the full population of the US.
You are right I would need to scale up the BvW number as well. But again lazy, phone, and we already have more white victims without the adjustment which would only GROW the white victim number. So I stopped there.
Damn elephants! Who let them in, anyways?
I don't want to wonder if this is a blunder
I don't want to worry whether we're going to stay together 'til we die
I don't want to jump in unless this music's thumpin'
All the dishes rattle in the cupboards when the elephants arrive
It is a great term, though I can't take credit for coining it. That distinction belongs to one John Carter of Barsoom: https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-marxcissists?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
The Titania McGrath of Substack has entered the chat!
Seriously, though, Chandra, which of the numbers that I cited, which are based on publicly available 2018 FBI crime data (prior to 2020's "summer of love" and the crime spike that followed), which of those numbers, specifically, are you disputing?
Put them in stocks and let people throw things at them for 24 hours and then give them a nice public hanging. Same thing they should do with nonwhites who commit mass murder.
I can't speak for Chris (though I imagine his reasons are similar to mine). I have written about black crime and the anti-white agitprop because the mainstream media, the Brandon Administration, the DOJ, and Gen Mark Milley already lecture us to death about the evils of "white rage" and "white supremacists" and "white domestic extremists" and so forth, while completely ignoring the far more prevalent instances of black rage, black supremacists, and black domestic extremists. And if you're in a leftist echo chamber (which it sounds like you are), then you would conclude, based on all the information that you are presented, that white people are committing all these terrible violent crimes and threatening the safety of black people, while black people are peacefully minding their own business and trying desperately to keep white people from touching their hair and calling the cops on them for just existing. But that narrative is 180-degrees opposite the actual reality. And deep down, everyone, including hardcore leftists, knows that it is false. That is why they get so defensive and immediately move to shut down the conversation any time it veers off the approved narrative.
Here's a little remembered fact about recent American history: the Clinton-era crime bill that now gets condemned as racist, even by those who (at the time) supported it (like the Clintons and Joe Brandon), was supported by *black* community leaders, because they knew that a disproportionate amount of the violent crime was happening in *their* communities. Sure, a handful of black "superpredators" (Hillary's term) would be locked up, but many more innocent black people would get to live without fear and in communities that had an actual chance of flourishing, once the superpredators were removed.
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And I had a similar journey. I've been meaning to follow Mark Bisone's lead and write an "I was wrong" post about it. (Mark's was about 9/11 and GWOT.) I think you correctly described the stages of grief when it comes to issues like this. Hopefully he moves onto acceptance of reality.